Diary Of A Hollywood Refugee

Saturday, August 27, 2005

Over There

For those who don't get the online version of the NY Times I have decided to post this article in its entirety.

Iraq Veteran's Question "Over There"

by David Carr.

Soldiers will often say that survival depends on the ability to make quick judgments about countless small things.

Was that a cat or a sniper I saw in the window? Is that car speeding up because its occupants are being pursued or because they want to kill me? And that bump in the roadside, is it a divot from the last convoy or a trace of an improvised explosive device?

Little wonder then that "Over There," the first television dramatic series about a war in progress, is coming under fire, from people who served in Iraq, for getting the small things wrong. Television requires drama. Soldiers prefer precision. So when a group of grunts is shown clumped together on a berm making themselves a rich target or an improvised explosive device has a little flag on it, they tend to question the series as a whole.

Through the Web and various veterans groups, The New York Times contacted more than a dozen soldiers, all of whom had been on active duty in Iraq and have since returned. They had a variety of opinions on the war they served in, but were almost universally negative about the show that attempts to depict it. (A spokeswoman for the United States Army declined to comment on the series.)

When Steven Bochco's "Over There" began last month, many military blogs immediately began pumping round after round of ack-ack into it, suggesting that it is both opportunistic and clueless. (The FX series will broadcast the fifth of its 13 episodes tonight.)

"There are a few bad war movies and TV shows, but this one takes the cake," said a recent post to Boots on the Ground, a blog written by an Army soldier currently serving in Iraq (bootsonground.blogspot.com). "If the inaccuracies they made in this new show was to keep the real enemy from watching and knowing our real tactics, then they did a SUPERB job."

Mr. Bochco, who was lauded for the authenticity of his cop shows - "Hill Street Blues" and "NYPD Blue" - is a bit mystified by the response. "Anecdotally, we have been getting a good response from soldiers, but some of them tend to get hung up on the specifics of what you are doing, whether that piece of equipment or that particular weapon is wrong," Mr. Bochco said in a telephone interview two weeks ago. "But by and large, I think they are impressed with the show's reality, our attempt to convey the truthfulness of the experience and portray their emotional lives as well."

You could understand why Mr. Bochco feels a bit fragged. He set out to render visible a war, one that has produced thousands of dead and wounded, that goes conveniently unnoticed by most Americans. He has never been to Iraq, but hired several consultants who had served, in order to get an authentic look and feel for his series.

To the civilian eye, his portrait of men and women fighting for their lives and their country, usually in that order, is a reminder that the rhetoric of politicians exacts a savage consequence from those who must live the reality of warfare. And that the series is appearing while the conflict is still under way reflects the immediacy of this war, which can be seen in almost real time, while etching its remoteness to most people here.

"This is a war that does not immediately affect most of the country," said Robert Timmons, who lives on Staten Island and served in the Army infantry in Iraq in 2003. "People here see yellow ribbons on cars, but they see very little of the reality of the war other than short stories on CNN when American soldiers die. This series is over the top, but anything that brings attention to a war that is not getting much coverage is helpful."

But soldiers who fought in Iraq, many of whom brought high expectations to the series, said that the devil is in the details.

"We see sand, we see guns and we see people in helmets," said Benjamin Flanders, who served as a military police sergeant in 2004 and 2005 as a member of the New Hampshire National Guard in and around Baghdad. "But I don't think that it addresses the real issues of being a soldier or what is going on in Iraq."

Rowe Stayton, a former lawyer who volunteered for duty in the Army National Guard at age 50, said that the series had affected him even though, as a fire team leader in 2004, the war he experienced was a close-in, urban affair, not a battle fought out in vast expanses of the desert.

"There are parts of it that still bring to mind thoughts and memories of things that I have not been thinking about for months and years," he said. An episode about events going awry at a checkpoint was particularly vivid. "Innocent civilians did get shot. It is in the nature of the war, but we used a tremendous restraint."

Much of what Mr. Bochco is taking hits over has to do with the generic requirements of television. To create storylines, he uses characters who scan to some people as clich├ęs - the gung-ho all-American white kid who is maimed, the bitter dope-smoking black guy. And necessarily, action must be compressed, which does not reflect the grinding reality of real-time soldiering, a mix of weeks of boredom interrupted by occasional moments of terror. In blogs and interviews, soldiers suggested that the Army unit Mr. Bochco depicts saw more action in the first few episodes than they did in their entire tours.

"Vets are concerned with getting it right," said Paul Rieckoff, a former Army platoon leader and the executive director of Operation Truth, a veterans' advocacy group. "And I think it is sad that no percentage of the proceeds go to any veterans or family charities. Some of the money that is being made should go to the people who have died."

"Over There" has received its share of favorable reviews. But after a brisk start - the series garnered 4.1 million viewers for its first show, making it the most watched cable program on the night it ran - it then lost almost half its audience in the second week, dropping to 2.6 million viewers. In the third week, it managed to find a plateau, and then last week, "Over There" had just a 2 share, suggesting that there is not much momentum building over all. So far, the show has had a 2.4 rating average, which is far from a hit, but it bettered the average performance of the critically acclaimed "Rescue Me" in the same time slot last year.

If the show is going to find the kind of attention that will sustain it, the audience will probably be among civilians. "The reviews from G.I.'s I've seen are 100 percent negative; there is no array," said John Harriman, a Vietnam veteran and author who created the Mudville Gazette, an online community of soldiers who support the war and those fighting it (www.mudvillegazette.com). Mr. Harriman said that soldiers were amazed to see anachronistic Vietnam-era helicopters, and pointed out that the squad depicted seems to be just getting to know one another, which does not comport with how units are deployed.

Mr. Bochco said that within the limits of television and his budget, he is proud of what he and his team have accomplished. "Let me put it this way," he said. "If I had even a small amount of the money that the country is spending to fight this war, every detail would be there and it would look amazing." Mr. Bochco, who created a jittery visual lexicon with "NYPD Blue," has again innovated in "Over There," adopting a fuzzy, satellite-phone look, while using the short-form jargon of "Sopranos"-cum-soldiers to emphasize the high-intensity experience.

Some soldiers, however grudgingly, will admit that he got a few things right. A shot of a soldier on a computer sending a video message to his wife that is panned away from to show her in bed with another man rings true, as does the theme of boots on the ground paralyzed by politics from above. The fact that a convoy that ends badly was out on a beer run sounded familiar to some, as well.

Sean Huze, an actor who volunteered for the Marines after the Sept. 11 attacks and who served in Iraq in 2003, is dealing with some similar issues in the current run of "The Sand Storm," a play about his experiences in the war that is being performed through Sept. 25 at the MetroStage in Alexandria, Va.

"I think it was certainly a noble effort that Mr. Bochco made," Mr. Huze said. "It's funny, I have spoken to people who weren't 'over there,' and they had an overwhelmingly positive reaction to the show. Having experienced the war as an infantry soldier in the Marines, it's hard not to pick it apart. But if it sparks a conversation, it can probably do a lot more good than the talking heads who are always going on about this war.

Later on...I'll offer up my thoughts. But right now, dinner awaits.
(originally posted 6:31 pm August 24, 2005)

Update: My Thoughts

I am a fan of Steven Bochco. His landmark series, Hill Street Blues, altered the way we watched television, moving us from being a passive observer, to one that was engaged viscerally through the use of innovative jittery camerawork. NYPD Blue took it one step farther with some of the best writing,acting, directing and stories one could hope to find on tv!

I also like the idea that someone in the liberal anti war, anti Bush, pro-terrorist, pro-dictator world of Hollywood, has opted to make a series about the war in Iraq, a war still in progress.

Is it opportunistic? Everything Hollywood does is about making money! But it's not more opportunistic than Hill Street Blues, or NYPD Blue, was. Both those dramas are about "real" forces, albeit not forces fighting in Iraq, but forces fighting on the streets of America:our police forces! No one suggested giving those men and women any share of the revenues Mr. Bocho's shows generated, so that someone would suggest doing so in this case may seem unfair, but if one considers the very vocal position Hollywood has taken with regards to our War on Terror, it seems understandable.

But the idea, as put forth by David Carr, that Bocho has tried to"render visible a war that has gone conveniently unnoticed by most Americans," thereby implying Steven's attempt is a noble one, annoys me to no end.

Which Americans have conveniently not noticed this war? The liberals who have decided that this war is evil and vile and have chosen only to report the failures and deaths, while choosing to ignore completely or barely report on ALL the positive successful achievements such as: the building of roads and schools, the modernizing of infrastructures, women being trained in the new Iraqi police force, the thousands of insurgents captured by our troups and Iraqi forces, the letter to Al Zarquawi ADMITTING the insurgency was losing, the historic election in which Iraqi's voted even under the threat of death, and the monumental formation of an Iraqi constitution by the people for the people, and.the process of democracy unfolding before our eyes in an Arab nation in the heart of the Middle East which has barely registered a passing nod!

Or could he be referring to those of us who have simply opted to no longer watch or read the limited and BIASED media reports on the war, but have instead chosen to read milblogs, and blogs written by Iraqi's, thereby causing ratings and readerships within the MSM to DIVE.

Now correct me if I'm wrong - but didn't this country have a tight Presidential election in which the BIGGEST issue wasn't really about family values, but rather who would best lead this country in the War on Terror??? That would be the "war that has largely gone unnoticed"!

And what about the MILLIONS of Americans who support our troups with an overwhelming amount of CARE PACKAGES and EMAILS, and LETTERS, not to mention toys and clothing for Iraqi and Afghani children, and their loyalty to milbloggers...who are blogging about "this war that has gone unnoticed"!

Tell me again, David, which Americans have "conveniently not noticed this war"??

I also beg to differ with Robert Timmons. I think he is underestimating just how MANY Americans are very much aware of the reality of war.

Milbloggers are bringing home that reality through their writing, which both surpasses and excels anything the writers of "Over There" have produced thus far!

Maybe the reason the show is doing so badly in the ratings, is because we can get a more honest, real, raw, evocative account by reading Milblogs. We can experience the sounds, the sights, the smells, the fears, the anger, the relief, the sadness, the grief, the loss, the excitement and the joy our troups experience daily!

One need only read Michael Yon's blog to see the kind of real picture painted by his words. While most of us depend on visual imaginery for a visceral reaction, his writing manages to bring forth from within us all kinds of emotions. His pics capture images caught in the moment that are not contrived for a tv series.

Add to that, a buffet of blogs from Danjel Bout, Neil Prakesh, Rusten Currie, Michael from" A Day In Iraq", Sminkey from "In Iraq for 365" to name a few, and Americans are experiencing a reality that Bochco has yet to be able to capture despite his "attempt to convey the truthfulness of the experience and portray their emotional lives as well."

"Over There" is weak in writing, over the top in emotion, unrealistic in its detail, sloppy in its execution, and the acting leaves alot to be desired; no where near the level of NYPD Blue, and Hill Street Blues!

Why watch something so sub par, and / or the continous biased slanted reporting of the MSM, when we can get so much more from Milbloggers and more importantly, we get a deep dose of reality, not badly contrived reality, but the honest emotional reality of war!

The devil is in the details! Bocho's previous shows were extremely successful and "real" precisely because he paid attention to detail. Hairstyles, music, cars, weapons, uniforms, issues, and conflicts, all realistically reflected the era they portrayed.

To claim that if he had even a "small amount of money that the country is spending on this war " he could have made the show look amazing with every detail" being there" is disingenuous and a freaking cop out from one of Hollywood's most talented and successful tv producers. And trust me, when you consider that most of his one hour dramas cost close to a million a week to produce, the absurdity of that remark becomes clear. It's a dig at the Bush Administration, as is this clearly BIASED opinion by David Carr "To the civilian eye, his portrait of men and women fighting for their lives and their country, usually in that order, is a reminder that the rhetoric of politicians exacts a savage consequence from those who must live the reality of warfare. And that the series is appearing while the conflict is still under way reflects the immediacy of this war, which can be seen in almost real time, while etching its remoteness to most people here."

"Fighting for their lives and country in that order"!!!! I beg to differ, but our deployed men and women will tell you that they are fighting for their COUNTRY first and foremost, to protect freedom and democracy for ALL Americans, including the hollywood fuckwits and MSM left wing elites!

"A reminder of the rhetoric of politicians" - another dig at Pres Bush and Republicans!

"...while etching its remoteness to most people here" If by most people he means left wing liberals, the MSM and the Hollywood elites, then he's right.... but beyond that, this war is ANYTHING but remote to more than half the people of this country.

I don't need to watch a badly contrived Hollywood version of the war on terror to understand whats happening in Iraq. Thanx to milbloggers, I can experience the real sights, sounds, and smells going on"Over There".



  • At 8:49 PM, August 27, 2005, Blogger H2SO4 said…

    When I first heard of this, I had hoped it would highlight the men an women fighting over there, and not be a left wing hit piece on the war and Pres. Bush.

    I guess I was worng, and stupid for thinking Hollyfuck could actually do something worthwhile.

    I'm sure the 9-11 show will somehow twist it into being Bush's fault as well.

  • At 8:45 PM, August 28, 2005, Blogger Chevy Rose said…

    I appreciate your posting the entire article, and with your comment there isn't much more to add, you said it for me. Good job, as usual.

  • At 10:41 PM, August 28, 2005, Blogger Huntress said…

    Thank you both....I know its a long post...but I felt it was important to print the entire article so it wouldnt appear that I had taken parts out of context...or framed them differently when stating my opinion about the show and the article.

  • At 1:41 AM, August 30, 2005, Blogger The Sgts Lady said…

    My husband (recently returned from a 14 month tour "over there") and I were interested to watch the show. We'd always enjoyed the touches of humanity & reality that Bocho brought to his shows. Sadly, Bocho, or whoever was actually producing the thing, wrote this show as they "imagined" it must be...you can tell they didn't really have a clue about the reality. If they intend to continue, perhaps the whole group should go on USO Tour of "Over There" and spend a little more time getting to know what the heck they are writing at. Or here's another easier idea: Take 12 medal winners, find out the basic facts of their actions & what was happening at the exact same time with their families at home...use clever editing that contrasts the differences & the sameness of the "two" days...should make for interesting episodes that people might come back to watch.

  • At 6:21 PM, August 30, 2005, Blogger Huntress said…

    Excellent idea Sgt's Lady! Its a shame one of the brightest successful tv producers didnt come up with it himself!

    May I take this time to thank your husband for his service to the country, and to thank both of you for your sacrifices.

    Im glad your the Sgt made it home safely!


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